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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 02:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know they hadn&#039;t got to the point of cheating yet, but has no one else got an issue with the fact that this guy was basically fantasizing about cheating. In effect they stopped that from happening (although you cant say if it would or wouldn&#039;t happen as the motives/thoughts of the woman aren&#039;t shared). Don&#039;t get me wrong I have not got a problem with having friends of the opposite sex even when married, but if you are married you have an obligation and are meant to maintain an amount of respect for your wife/husband so if you are attracted to someone else it would be best to avoid them. So in terms of the story although the methods may not be right I think that the end result is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know they hadn&#8217;t got to the point of cheating yet, but has no one else got an issue with the fact that this guy was basically fantasizing about cheating. In effect they stopped that from happening (although you cant say if it would or wouldn&#8217;t happen as the motives/thoughts of the woman aren&#8217;t shared). Don&#8217;t get me wrong I have not got a problem with having friends of the opposite sex even when married, but if you are married you have an obligation and are meant to maintain an amount of respect for your wife/husband so if you are attracted to someone else it would be best to avoid them. So in terms of the story although the methods may not be right I think that the end result is.</p>
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		<title>By: kisarita</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding not accepting your kids in their schools, that&#039;s a threat???? isn&#039;t that the answer to your prayers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding not accepting your kids in their schools, that&#8217;s a threat???? isn&#8217;t that the answer to your prayers?</p>
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		<title>By: kisarita</title>
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		<dc:creator>kisarita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vaad or no vaad the next married chossid (or non chossid, whatever!) that starts w me i may not tell your wife but i&#039;ll tell everyone else on the block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vaad or no vaad the next married chossid (or non chossid, whatever!) that starts w me i may not tell your wife but i&#8217;ll tell everyone else on the block.</p>
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		<title>By: Misyavni</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hozen,
Very clever

Kaf,
It is my belief that text messages are privileged and not released by carriers without a subpoena. A requisition with the seal of Badatz does not qualify. Either the other party gave it up willingly, or their on-premises techie retrieved it from confiscated devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hozen,<br />
Very clever</p>
<p>Kaf,<br />
It is my belief that text messages are privileged and not released by carriers without a subpoena. A requisition with the seal of Badatz does not qualify. Either the other party gave it up willingly, or their on-premises techie retrieved it from confiscated devices.</p>
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		<title>By: Misyavni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misyavni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Vaad is an important institution that upholds the integrity of the community. Because it’s a closed community, some members who were born into it and didn’t take the vow, don’t share the values of the community’s founders and that of the majority of its present-day fellowship. All the Vaad really wants is for the dissidents to leave and good riddance. Similar to the way other communities, such as the secular Ramapo community, will fight to uphold its character from the invading Chassidim. It’s different; they utilize legal means while the Vaad, with no legal means to its disposition, resorts to blackmail, fear, and coercion, but it’s a difference of means, not of ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Vaad is an important institution that upholds the integrity of the community. Because it’s a closed community, some members who were born into it and didn’t take the vow, don’t share the values of the community’s founders and that of the majority of its present-day fellowship. All the Vaad really wants is for the dissidents to leave and good riddance. Similar to the way other communities, such as the secular Ramapo community, will fight to uphold its character from the invading Chassidim. It’s different; they utilize legal means while the Vaad, with no legal means to its disposition, resorts to blackmail, fear, and coercion, but it’s a difference of means, not of ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Frummer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a way of life and fidelity is included in the package.

I strongly resent the various “Vaadim” throwing their weight around over trivial and subjective issues (e.g. the ever increasing density of tights), but if when they are faced with two individuals about to cause damage to their families and lets not forget, to themselves too, they have to do something.

It must be absolutely hideous for an adult to be hauled across the coals like a misbehaved child, and I can sure understand the frustration of the writer. But they have to do something! The question is however, do they know what they are doing?

As the writer points out, the answer is no. Treating an adult like a kid, just makes him act like one, acting out, without care or thought as to the consequences.

I would have thought that the way forward in such a case is to befriend him, see what is bothering him, and work things out. But no, that’s not the way of the Frummers.

They might have stopped him this time, but it’s going to happen again, and boy oh boy, will he be more careful this time.

But, at the end of the day, the Vaad’s treatment worked. He sure isn’t going to get caught again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a way of life and fidelity is included in the package.</p>
<p>I strongly resent the various “Vaadim” throwing their weight around over trivial and subjective issues (e.g. the ever increasing density of tights), but if when they are faced with two individuals about to cause damage to their families and lets not forget, to themselves too, they have to do something.</p>
<p>It must be absolutely hideous for an adult to be hauled across the coals like a misbehaved child, and I can sure understand the frustration of the writer. But they have to do something! The question is however, do they know what they are doing?</p>
<p>As the writer points out, the answer is no. Treating an adult like a kid, just makes him act like one, acting out, without care or thought as to the consequences.</p>
<p>I would have thought that the way forward in such a case is to befriend him, see what is bothering him, and work things out. But no, that’s not the way of the Frummers.</p>
<p>They might have stopped him this time, but it’s going to happen again, and boy oh boy, will he be more careful this time.</p>
<p>But, at the end of the day, the Vaad’s treatment worked. He sure isn’t going to get caught again.</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 09:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kafhakela;

Children are not their parents&#039; asset. Any contract made on their behalf has no validity if the wellbeing and success of the children is not the sole criterion. Therefore, the fact that the parents agreed before getting married on how they would raise their children bears no obligation, in my opinion .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kafhakela;</p>
<p>Children are not their parents&#8217; asset. Any contract made on their behalf has no validity if the wellbeing and success of the children is not the sole criterion. Therefore, the fact that the parents agreed before getting married on how they would raise their children bears no obligation, in my opinion .</p>
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		<title>By: kafhakela</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whythe, I believe those days are over, and the old time methods are slowly but surely disappearing. We don&#039;t have  chaptzems anymore  like we used to, the  moisdos are beginning to realize the importance of &quot;compliance&quot;, and you can&#039;t even smack a child nowadays without riskig arrest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whythe, I believe those days are over, and the old time methods are slowly but surely disappearing. We don&#8217;t have  chaptzems anymore  like we used to, the  moisdos are beginning to realize the importance of &#8220;compliance&#8221;, and you can&#8217;t even smack a child nowadays without riskig arrest.</p>
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		<title>By: Whythe Socks</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recommended viewing: In God&#039;s Country by Lifetime Movies. 

Available for free on Hulu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recommended viewing: In God&#8217;s Country by Lifetime Movies. </p>
<p>Available for free on Hulu</p>
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		<title>By: Whythe Socks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whythe Socks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the mind of believers, this is a matter of keeping the community and its ethos alive, and nothing, even getting into legal trouble, will keep them from it. 

So my dear Kaf, you&#039;re either naive, or a believer and feigning it, busily protecting the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the mind of believers, this is a matter of keeping the community and its ethos alive, and nothing, even getting into legal trouble, will keep them from it. </p>
<p>So my dear Kaf, you&#8217;re either naive, or a believer and feigning it, busily protecting the system.</p>
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